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The Place for Connection
Welcome to The Place for Connection, where I believe that connection is the CURE – the podcast where soul meets science, and healing takes centre stage.
Hosted by clinical & forensic psychologist, breathwork practitioner, and all-around vibe curator, Melissa Beaton, this podcast dives deep into the art and science of connection – to yourself, your community, and the big beautiful world around you.
Each episode is a juicy mix of expert wisdom and heartfelt stories from psychologists, bodyworkers, doulas, yogis, spiritual guides, breathwork facilitators, doctors, nurses, and more. We’re here to inspire, uplift, and get real about what it takes to live a connected, purpose-driven life.
This isn’t your average self-help podcast. It’s a space where radical authenticity meets practical tools, where curiosity replaces judgment, and where the real work feels less like a chore and more like a calling.
Why listen?
Because you’ll leave every episode feeling seen, heard, and ready to take the next step in your own healing journey. Whether you’re a professional, a healer, someone seeking growth, or just here for the good vibes – this is the place for you.
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The Place for Connection
Decode the Body’s Messages: Kinesiology, Frequency & Emotional Freedom
What if your body was holding onto the emotional patterns your mind can’t access? 👀
In this transformative episode of The Place for Connection, I sit down with powerhouse healer Danica Marcinek, founder of DNM Kinesiology, who went from navigating depression and anxiety through traditional therapy to discovering the power of muscle testing, bioresonance, and energetic self-responsibility.
You’ll learn:
- How kinesiology taps into the subconscious stories stored in your muscles
- Why nervous system rewilding is the future of mental health
- Daily energetic hygiene practices to stay grounded in a chaotic world
- The truth about triggers and how to let them lead you instead of derail you
- Why integration—not substitution—is the key when combining energy work and clinical psychology
We’re talking real healing, not band-aid solutions.
This episode is part of our bigger vision at Zenso House—a space for nervous system rewilding, deep connection, and becoming the most connected, alive version of yourself.
For more on Danika’s work and her upcoming 8-week program Leading Within, follow @dnmkinesiology or visit dnmkinesiology.com
And don’t forget—connection is the cure.
But FIRST follow @zensohouse so we can continue this AWESOME connection! 💛
Disclaimer: This content is for entertainment purposes only and does not constitute a replacement for psychological therapy. The views held in these posts are my own.
Welcome to the Place for Connection podcast, where I believe connection is the cure. Today, I'm joined by the incredible Danika Marshnik, who is the founder of DNM Kinesiology, where she empowers individuals to break free from emotional patterns, clear energetic blockages and step into the fullest expression of who they are. Her mission is to help people to move forward with confidence, clarity and authenticity, creating lives that feel fully aligned and meaningful. Throughout her one-on-one work, danica supports each person in restoring balance across their mind, body and soul, helping them to elevate their frequency, strengthen their self-belief and connect with their inner power. Beyond working with clients one-on-one, she's also passionate about mental health education, delivering youth mental health first aid training to equip individuals and communities with the tools to foster supportive, empowering conversations around mental health and wellbeing. I'm super blessed to have Danica joining us today. So, danica, I wondered if you could start by just letting us know what inspired you to dedicate your life to helping others to clear their limitations and to raise their frequency in in these ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hey, mel, thanks for the beautiful welcome. Um, so for me it definitely was. It's very personal, um, I guess it's been through my own self-discovery and personal well-being journey, um, having experienced ill mental health from a very young age, um, it was definitely a thing for me of kind of starting to explore beyond traditional means of. You know, from a very young age I had been seeing psychologists. Um was on medication and me it was.
Speaker 2:I'd kind of gotten to a point within my early 20s where I knew I wanted something more and I felt like there were things outside of the traditional scope that I'd never been exposed to. But it was just from a sense of curiosity, and I think I'd come across a social media post one day about someone talking about an energetic healer that they'd been to and it just piqued my curiosity and from there it kind of led me on a journey to self-discovery, to actually uncover those parts of myself that potentially I hadn't really discovered through traditional means of psychology, but also really support me to step forward from where I had been to where I actually wanted to go and actually be a little bit more forward, moving in helping me get the life that I really wanted to create and also release all of the baggage that I was potentially carrying from the past.
Speaker 1:It's cool that you talk about that distinction between, like, having been through, I guess, traditional methods of healing so like medication therapy and then moving more into energetic healing, like was there any kind of pivotal moment that had you kind of being like, yeah, I really need to start exploring something outside, perhaps these traditional models? Of healing from and I say traditional, traditional totally yeah, like. I mean from a western. Yeah, kind of model of healing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, sure. I think for me the pivotal moment was, you know, I had done all the things that I thought I should be doing. So I had, you know, done the career ladder in terms of, you know, going after the career that I thought that was going to give me the success and, you know, really thought that it was going to give me that sense of fulfillment. But it was also the thing where I kept on looking outside of myself for answers. But I was in a career that, yes, while on the outside look successful, on the inside I kind of didn't feel that sense of fulfillment. But I was also questioning there's got to be more to this.
Speaker 2:And it was after having severe burnout and feeling like I just couldn't keep my energy levels right that I was like I feel like there's something missing and I think I'd been intellectualizing so much but I was actually so disconnected from my body.
Speaker 2:So that was a pivotal moment for me that, through starting to discover energy healing and looking at, I guess, more eastern ways of healing, it was that thing for me where I actually started to reconnect with here and actually started to uncover where I was kind of keeping myself limited, but also where I was holding things in my body that I had just never been connected to.
Speaker 2:So, even coming back to the really simplest things of breathing, I was such a shallow breather it was all in my chest and actually learning how to just come back down into the body and breathe more deeply. As much as it might sound like a really simplistic thing, it's actually something that a lot of people forget, because when we're in the mind, we're living from the shoulders up, and so it's really hard for people to actually even regulate when they're not even paying attention to what's happening with something as simple as the breath oh, such a beautiful example, um, and something, yeah, that I see in practice all the time is like the shallow breathing right, which is like almost like for our nervous system, like like a sign that we're under threat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, so, so it sounds like you know building these internal tools around self-awareness physically, not just intellectually, and being able to differentiate what's an intellectual kind of process versus what's a physiological process, like in terms of how you then branched into kinesiology. How did that process unfold?
Speaker 2:It's interesting, it's kind of been a bit of an evolution. So for me, living in, I moved to the Gold Coast. I think it was five and a half years ago now. Before that I was living in Sydney, was. You know?
Speaker 2:As I said, I had that traditional career. I'd kind of gone to school, got training, moved into marketing, had 15 years working in marketing, within non-for-profit and also brand and talent management, with working with experts in the health and lifestyle space, and I guess for me it was where I was working with people who were doctors, interior designers, psychologists, you know, athletes who were in the media space but obviously experts in their field. And for me it was where I was part on purpose but also something felt a little bit misaligned and I guess it was in the in the foreground. I'm working with people who are professionals in their field, in those traditional, as we say, western medicines, but in the background, for me personally I was exploring and deep diving into the more holistic and the eastern side where it was kind of really it felt very mismatched but at the same time it was also within that work. It showed me one thing that I really did love and that was connecting with people and it was through working with the talent that a lot of the time I kind of was talking to them about all the things that they were working through in terms of the limitations or where they were feeling stuck in being the face of things, that it was really for me that aha moment where I was like there's something in this that I really love, but it's not in the same capacity that I'm doing it right now. So from that I took the niggle and I had been working with a number of you know, acupuncturists, chiros and the like, when I was living in Sydney and at that point in time kinesiology wasn't even on my radar.
Speaker 2:I'd originally left working in that realm to actually move into. I was like, well, I love this, I'm going to move into coaching. So coaching was the first thing that I kind of entered into where it for me. At the time I was like I've got this background in marketing, I'm going to do this and I potentially, you know, can can work in this space.
Speaker 2:But from that it was kind of there's something more here and again. It was like I'm still living from the head up in a way where I'm intellectualizing all of these things but it doesn't still feel completely right. And so it was through having had my own self-discovering, reconnecting in and having that self-awareness, that the mind-body connection for me was so important that kinesiology I guess in a way it sounds crazy or it's, you know, I guess woo-woo that people say it kind of fell into my lap because I'd been having a conversation with a girlfriend on the coast and she said you should speak to this person and I spoke to them. They were training in kinesiology and you know, I kind of was like this is it? And not realizing it at the time. I'd been doing kinesiology for a number of years in terms of working through limitations and really, you know, getting rid of a lot of that old programming and conditioning that I had from such a young age that it was from there that the day before and she was asking me what I did.
Speaker 1:And she said, oh, that sounds a bit like kinesiology. And I was like, oh really, I didn't realize that. I'm wondering, like, could you explain what it is for listeners who kind of aren't aware of what it is and how it works?
Speaker 2:So kinesiology uses the same prefaces as traditional Chinese medicine, so you're working off the same principles. But one of the main differences with other modalities is it's using muscle testing, so it's using biofeedback from the muscle to detect and clear stress. So that can be physical stress, it can be mental, emotional, it can be spiritual stress. So basically it's like a human line detector. I have a lot of clients who will come to me and they're like how do you know that? And it's like because that's what your body's telling me. So someone might have a conversation with me when they first come in, tell me what's going on and you can kind of, in a way I guess kinesiology does work on that intuitive level as well, so you can sense where something potentially might be a little bit off and I'm probably sure you can resonate with that that. I think that's kind of the way you work a little bit as well. Um, whereas once we get them on the table, it actually is where I start to uncover even more to it. Um, where you start to see there potentially might be mismatches in what they're saying versus what's actually testing the body.
Speaker 2:For example, I had a young woman who came in and we were talking about. You know she was wanting to move forward in her business and the question I asked her was around so tell me, how your levels of self-confidence at the moment, how confident do you feel? And she's like oh, confidence is like a nine out of ten. I'm like amazing on confidence. Um, but when she actually got up on the table it, her body was starting to show that there was levels of self-doubt. But there was also things that happened in the past that she was still holding on to from an experience that she'd had with a male that when we started talking about it she actually realized that it was like, yeah, in those moments I really didn't feel confident and it was actually impacting on her within her business. So it's like it's sometimes where what the mind forgets, the body remembers. So, as much as on a conscious level she was like confidence is a 9 out of 10, on a subconscious level, her body was still storing things that didn't feel safe for her to process until it's brought back to the surface. And you know the unconscious mind won't actually bring to the surface anything that you're not ready to deal with.
Speaker 2:So I guess it's a really important thing to preface in that that sometimes people can get a little bit scared because they're like, oh my gosh, are things going to come up that I'm not ready to deal with?
Speaker 2:But it's really about understanding that, unless your body is ready to process it, it won't come to the surface, um, within a session, but it can start to um. Support people to have conversations that potentially they don't have the words um, that can actually communicate how they're feeling or what's going on for them, um, or really being in a space of the I don't know um. For me, kinesiology is really about supporting someone to step forward into what it is that they're moving towards and what it is they're wanting to create, and so I work from a space of really helping people to gain that clarity of what it is that we're working towards and what are we building for you, and then actually shifting it so that, rather than just clearing what it is that you don't want, if we're actually working from a place of going this is where I want to be then let's communicate with the body to understand what is it that needs to shift and clear to actually get you to that level.
Speaker 1:Wow, that sounds really cool, Like practically. How does the session then look for people who haven't encountered kinesiology in the past?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so practically I work both in person and online. I do love the online space because I find that people can really relax into their space, similar to how we are now, and really just allow themselves to get comfortable. So if we're working in a space like this where I'm doing it online, I am sorry getting into your energy field so similar to something like Reiki. You know, I guess energy is vibration and it doesn't have any limits. So you know, it's it's working with, though that frequency field, um, to be able to tap into your energy, to then get the messages that your body's communicating. Through my surrogate um.
Speaker 2:I do tend to teach my clients also how to self muscle test, or um work in that way so that if I'm getting a read, I can get them to muscle test at the same time. Oh, that's cool, yeah. So basically a session like that would work, where we jump on, we'd have a chat, really understand what it is that we're working towards, what's going on for you, and then, based on that, then I'd start to muscle test and tap into things to actually understand where there are potential blockages, and then we work through a series of corrections, whether it be acupressure points, it can be mandalas, it can be colour therapy, working with a range of different tools to actually support you to actually shift it. So that's kind of in a nutshell how it works. Oh, that's so helpful.
Speaker 2:Yeah obviously, if it's in person, it's definitely more hands-on where online, I'm potentially talking you through how to do different techniques and things that people can then take away and use for themselves In person. I'm doing it for you.
Speaker 1:That's so interesting because I guess in the psychotherapy that I use, I'm often talking about like striated muscle tension versus smooth muscle tension versus cognitive perceptual disruption. It sounds like you know how you do. It is slightly different, right, but we're just looking more about how. Yeah, feelings, I guess, stir up activation in different muscular groups. So it's even interesting just from a neuropsych perspective how it all interrelates, and I've actually never had anyone explain kinesiology in such kind of simple language before it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think for me it's. We need to simplify these things. It doesn't need to feel so clinical. Sometimes, and I guess there's a difference between you know, potential of like either it's sounding too clinical and people being too scared of it, or people thinking it's too woo-woo, and it's really about trying to find that balance between people understanding there's a science behind it and also understanding that we can bring in both the science and the energetics together in unison.
Speaker 1:Well, I always find that so interesting that people relate to energetics as woo-woo too right, when we're made of atoms and atoms is quite literally physics um, and and so I always have this way, and I think I actually learned that from one of my own mentors.
Speaker 2:Um, in that, yeah, you know, it's so weird to relate to ourselves not as energetic beings, and yet we are, as is all the matter around us, right, exactly, it's kind of one of those things is that people, you know, because I I bring bio free, like biofrequency, into um, into my sessions through bioresonance, so it's, you know, again, it's frequency medicine and people it's it's because it's not tangible, people can't understand it. But you know, I know that there was an instagram post explained it so well that, you know, no one questions how wi-fi works. They just know what works. And frequency medicine is like yeah, you're right, as we're just saying like we're atoms, like we're all energy. Everything that we are in right now is energy and it's about actually allowing us to use it in a way that can support us to step forward. If you think about our bodies, we're 70 percent water, yeah, and so, using bioresonance, we can be imprinting water with frequencies to actually support us wow, that's so cool.
Speaker 1:I I have another friend who's like obsessed with bioresonance. I'm sure I'll get her on eventually and no doubt you'll meet. But yeah, she speaks a lot to this and about the healing and health benefits, like insofar as how they complement each other, like what do you notice around kinesiology and bioresonance? That kind of yeah seems to make sense in terms of how they work interchangeably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for me they go hand in hand because I feel like I use it as an extension. So you know, for me knowledge is power and I think that bioresonance, the technology that I use, is something that, like, anyone can use. You don't have to have the qualification, but it's you know, you can build up the skill set to understand how it works. But people can use it in terms of it's a home-held device that people can actually be using with their families, with their pets on themselves. The biggest way I've been using it is obviously from that emotional, mental way of there's a part of this technology called inner voice and what it does is it actually takes a 10-second recording of your voice and, using the octaves in your voice, it can actually detect where there's disharmony within and disease within the body. So obviously, if there's mental stress, it will pick these things up and it actually produces for you a sound harmonic that you can be listening to to actually help harmonize what's going on. So that's a way that I use it, where for me it's something tangible that clients can be taking away from a session and doing the work in between, because I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions sometimes with kinesiology is that the session is where all of the work happens, and it's just not true.
Speaker 2:I'm sure it's probably the same for you. That kinesiology for me is all around self-responsibility, and it's the first thing I always say to people when they come in to see me is that I'm here to help you step forward, but I can't do the work for you, and so it's really about empowering them to build that belief in themselves and for me to hold that belief in them until they have it within themselves to be able to step forward, but giving them the right tools to also be implementing on a regular basis. That helps them do the work in between and beyond sessions. And so that's for me where the bioresonance really fits in is because we can be sending frequencies to a client and they can be listening to the inner voice on a daily basis to support them, to feel regulated and to feel empowered.
Speaker 1:That's so cool. I guess I'm and I think I've been really honest with people about my own journey to kind of, I guess, being open to more Eastern practices. I certainly was raised by a mother who was very open to it and I think that was part of my rejection, right.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, she's like fully out there and really bizarre. And then it's only as I've had my own experiences where I've been like, oh no, this is legit and yeah, and I'm feeling so much better, and also just the experience of like that energetic movement in the physiology and kind of Kundalini experiences and that kind of thing. So I think, yeah, for listeners who don't know what that is, that's okay. We can chat about that. Um, I mean, unless you want to speak to it, danica, but um, I'm certainly not expert, I'm probably not an expert in either.
Speaker 2:I guess it's that thing, though is it's interesting that it's even from that conditioning that we experience from such a young age.
Speaker 2:So for me the experience is very different, in that I wasn't raised with any of it. We were very much a Western family where it was literally like it was one of two things you put your big boy pants on and you deal with it and you sweep it under the rug, or you go to the doctor and you tell you tell the doctor what's going on and you do what the doctor says. So for me that was where it kind of that was where, for me, my mental health went, and it wasn't that it was a bad thing, it just for me, it got me to a point where I'm like this isn't working, and it was through that that I was like there's got to be something more. That it was through that curiosity where it led me down the garden path to something that felt for me more aligned and I'm so passionate about is providing people with choice and knowing that there's not one way to do anything but find what works for you.
Speaker 1:I like this notion of self-responsibility and also choice right that ultimately, we're autonomous beings and we get to make choices about what does and doesn't work for us, and I think that's one of the things I'm learning. A lot right is is that you know people can can decide for themselves what is most helpful and it can also change, it can evolve.
Speaker 2:Um, for me, you know, like I was on medication for a number of years. It's like it's interesting because probably about 10 years ago I had an acupuncturist say to me you know I was heavily medicated at the time on antidepressants and she said to me she goes. You do know you can come off these and at that point in time, one, it didn't feel safe for me. But two, I was just like I don't believe I can ever do this. And now, having gone on the journey that I've gone on and done the work that I've done, it led me to a point where a couple of years ago, I went I don't want to be on these anymore and I I felt like it was for me, it was that sense of empowerment to go. I can actually do this and there is a way to live differently if you choose to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, fully Like. I'm fully appreciative of medication in terms of having their time and place right when we're acutely unwell or acutely distressed. It can actually help us cope. And yet it's like we get in these patterns of relating to ourselves as needing something rather than kind of fully checking in with ourselves Like is this still a problem I have? Could I try an alternative? And I think often I can also understand health professionals. You know that they'd probably be anxious about supporting people to change these things. Like there's an element of risk there.
Speaker 2:It takes time. I guess that's the biggest thing is it takes time, and I think sometimes what it does, though, is for a lot of people that I see it creates an identity, and I know for me it created that identity of you know, I'm the depressed person, I'm the anxious person, and it's actually supporting people to detach from those identities but also not feeling like they're broken because they're on it. Um is the other big thing that I find um, you know, because I have a lot of clients who come who potentially seen a psychologist, who've been on medication or are considering going on medication, and for me it's like let's find what is the best solution for you and obviously I'm not here to diagnose or anything like that, but it's about supporting people to find the answers for themselves, and that's the bridge where kinesiology can really support people in, I guess, what is not seen as a traditional way right now, but in the future I do hope we start to see more of it to support people to take charge of their own healing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. I'm fully on board with this kind of, I guess, meeting of Eastern and Western methodology and I think we're already saying that right in Western medicine, the uptake of psychedelic therapy, mdma therapies and even just the uptake of, I guess, engagement with traditional healing modalities for, you know, aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and peoples of certain communities where perhaps something might be legal in mainstream communities but is legal if practised within religion or faith-based orientations, right. So I think there is kind of a movement towards it. It does seem like there's a bit of fear around it, like in terms of your own experience with, with your clients, like, I guess, if that's what you call them, um, what, what do you, what do you see them come in with around kinesiology or biofrequency work that might be like a, an idea they have about it that perhaps isn't quite accurate.
Speaker 2:I guess it's more people not knowing what to expect, and that's probably the hardest thing to articulate to someone, because you kind of have to experience it for yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I guess I always preface people like what's your expectation coming in, but I also tell people come in with an open mind and curiosity, try and leave any expectations.
Speaker 2:But also, I guess the misconception sometimes can be also that you're one and done, and I think that's probably one of the things I find so hard in this space sometimes is that you know, the place I practise from is a place of that self-empowerment and supporting people, whereas I find sometimes in, I guess, more you know, spiritual communities, it is this thing of like the healer is going to heal me and they're going to do the work for me, and that's definitely not what I believe and you know, for me I really found it difficult that people say, oh, she's a healer and I'd be like, oh, I really don't like that term, but it was my own preconception of it that I actually had to be like no, for me a healer is someone that's going to walk alongside you to support you to get to where you want to be, and it's just someone that potentially has taken three steps in front of you to get to where they are. That can help you on your way yeah, amen to the three steps yeah yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2:I'm not perfect, and I guess that's the biggest thing that I will always say to my clients is that I'm still doing the work, because the work never stops, and I think it's also for me. It's like if someone says, I'm completely healed, I can heal you. I run 1,000 miles in the other direction.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think there's such a thing. It's almost like the deeper you get and this has certainly been my journey like the deeper I get, the further I know you have to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also I accept that I may never get there right Like there's almost like this sense of like yeah, life's like really good right now and I'm certainly not perfect, and yet there's also a sense of oh, like, how much better can it even be than this? Like it's, which is like the interesting space when you go from being, you know, really dysregulated and anxious to like a space of being really regulated and calm and aligned.
Speaker 2:Then it's like oh well, where else it's like where's the penny going to drop? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So so I think that's also part of the journey. Is is also speaking to clients around. Yeah, that this, this is a, this is a lifelong.
Speaker 2:Totally, and I think it's a thing of like I guess you're so right in that, but it's sometimes.
Speaker 2:people will come in and they'll be like I have anxiety, or I don't want to feel like this anymore, or I've got all of this anger and I need to get rid of it, and it's actually supporting people to understand that we don't need to be completely rid of it and actually embracing what is the purpose that it's serving for you and how can we move it in a way that's actually going to support you to step forward, because, as we know, every emotion serves a purpose and it's supporting people to actually start to embrace it rather than resist it.
Speaker 2:And I think it was even through my own journey of, you know, depression has been a big thing for me after having very long anxiety from, you know, a young age probably about 10 now that I look back on it where I started to realize there were signs and symptoms there, but the people around me weren't picking them up but also I wasn't saying anything, and a lot of that was due to stigma, which I know we've come such a long way in. But in that it's also been the journey of actually embracing these things that felt like I've got no control over actually embracing them as part of me, but seeing them as a gift rather than something that I need to be completely rid of it's a really nice notion.
Speaker 1:It aligns really well with another friend of who who works in shamanism and um, and you're really aligned in terms of the way you speak around self-responsibility and and also this, this notion of, yeah, that we're all kind of unfurling um in our own good time and in in our own perfect way, and and she actually talks about trauma as being like part of the process, right, that we'll often be traumatised in this perfect way, and I remember the first time she said it I was like what do you mean? Like how can trauma be perfect? And she speaks around it like as in your soul's lesson, and I found that really interesting. And ever since, I think, I've tried to have a little bit of a different framework in terms of, certainly, how I relate to my own because I think that's the thing is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's definitely that thing. It's like for me it's. I always say to people it's like you can be bitter or you can be better. How can you take what's happened to you and not be bitter about it and not, I guess, in a way, be the victim of? This has happened to me, so I can't do this or put you in a place where you're actually limiting yourself based on the experience, or are you taking it to go?
Speaker 2:What is it that I can learn from this and what is it that's actually supported me to step forward? Because everything that happens happens for a reason, and I truly believe that that I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you today if I hadn't been through what I've been through, because that's also what puts me in the perfect position to support my clients to step forward. Because when people feel like they've lost all hope, or they feel like they are in that I don't know phase where they've tried everything, or they are looking for answers from everyone else, but everything that they're being told doesn't feel right, or they try and go, it doesn't work. For me, it's because I haven't come back here, and so it's actually about supporting them to turn off the external blinkers and start turning on the internal ones and you talked about that linking into connection in your own story around your own depression.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, I can't imagine how hard that would have been like to have been so young and engaging with psychologists and taking medication and not getting like the outcome that that that you were hoping for right yeah and doing all the things that you're meant to do, like in terms of society, like getting the job, getting the education being successful. In terms of like kinesiology's idea around the causes of depression, what do kinesiologists tend to see as like the function of depression in terms of our physiology, or can it be lots of different?
Speaker 2:It can be lots of different things and I guess it's everyone's individual. There's no one quick, fast rule for any of it and I think it comes back to case by case and, to tell you the honest truth, I've probably never really delved into it too much in the specifics when it comes to like the granular of that, because I think that it's all multi-layered and it's never going to be. You know, someone might come in for say anxiety, but it's like anxiety is such a broad term. Yeah, and so it's like, when we're looking at anxiety, is it the anxiety of something that's going on? Is it something that is ongoing, like I know that obviously we look at it as a mental illness, but when someone says anxiety, is it as a mental illness? But when someone says anxiety, is it actually a mental illness that they're looking at or is it just an emotion that they're experiencing?
Speaker 1:and don't know how else to describe it, yeah yeah, well, for example, from my framework, we don't see anxiety as pathology. Right, we see it as um, which is probably a little different to other psychologists, but we see it as a rise of mixed feelings and these mixed feelings trigger anxiety and depending on how well supported you've been emotionally, then that will signal in different parts of your body in terms of the physiological response.
Speaker 1:So we see it, but we'd see that more kind of like pathological presentation as like a sign of there's something that's gone wrong consistently and this has become a coping system of sorts. I had asked that because in the therapy that I use, we have a really kind of semi-consistent way of seeing depression, yeah. So, yeah, I had been a little curious if there was a sense of something that tends to be more likely and yet also even in the method that I use, it can be multi-layered and more complex, but often it can be linked to, like, repression of anger and then how anger goes back on the person. Yeah, so it's really interesting even in my own work, like just inviting people to face their anger can just be quite transformative totally, but it's even like under the anger.
Speaker 2:What else is there?
Speaker 1:oh, fully, fully and then there's a lot of grief and guilt about the anger and yeah, yeah it's, it's very complicated but it's um. Yeah, it's really cool to just hear about how you work. And I'm wondering, like on that note, like what's kind of an example of perhaps a transformation that you've observed in working with one of your clients?
Speaker 2:It's so. It's interesting. You ask that because I feel like it's been very varied for me in terms of the types of things that people will come in for me. In terms of the types of things that people will come in, um, sometimes it will be. You might have someone who's got skin conditions that you know.
Speaker 2:For example, I had a young um baby. Her mum had brought her in. She was five months old and she kept on breaking out in eczema and for her um, you know, it was actually a way of of she'd lost her brother to childhood cancer a few months before and, as a five-month-old baby, it actually was exacerbating the response within her body. That's how she was actually expressing the emotion of grief. So it's like it's different how, just based on, obviously, where it was located within her body, um, but supporting her to obviously clear that when she she's not even old enough to express it. So it can vary from something like that right through to um.
Speaker 2:You know, having I've worked with a young girl in her early 20s who you know for her it was um eating disorder and feeling like she had no choice in you know the path forward, but moving her to a place where you know she was able to find her voice with her family and actually start to create those boundaries in a way that she never thought was possible, but also freeing her of those, yeah, limitations she was placing on herself to actually be able to create healthier relationships with family members that she'd lost touch with, um and also support her to step into a career that felt more aligned.
Speaker 2:So it can. It's very varied in terms of the different things that you see within kinesiology. For me I definitely, having had my own lived experience, you know the mental, emotional space is probably where I spend a lot of my time. But it's not to say that you don't have things that present where people are having physical ailments that are related and linked back to the mental, emotional well-being and, you know, belief systems that potentially are keeping them where they're at that's so powerful, even speaking to like how, yeah, emotions can somatize, right and and operate, yeah, as a skin rash or as an autoimmune condition, and um and powerful that you can do that work with like such young children. I think that's just incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that must be really meaningful work, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:I think the biggest thing is that's like you know, when someone turns around to you when they've come in and they feel like I've got no choice in this and they're feeling completely lost, to then turn around after doing the work together and they're like I get to make my own rules and I am the fix, that's when you're like this is amazing yeah, yeah, yeah, and I can see you light up as well yeah, about that yeah yeah, like if you were to kind of leave listeners with like one daily practice or tool that that they could incorporate right now.
Speaker 1:In terms of this process of coming home to themselves, what do you tend to recommend as like a basic kind of thing people can do?
Speaker 2:Depends on what we're talking. If we're talking, like you know, as we were talking about before, we're all energy. So I think you know maintaining our own energy and coming back to our own frequency is really important. And might sound really simplistic, but you know, using water is definitely a way for me, that you know, being intentional within the shower.
Speaker 2:When you get in the shower of a night time, literally imagine closing down your eyes and imagine white light as that water coming down over your head and just moving throughout your entire body and using the white light to just shift and clear anything that you carry that doesn't belong to you and returning it to who it needs to or where it needs to. Um, to actually just be able to feel like you're actually clear of anything that isn't yours. Um, I guess from an energetic perspective. Um, the other one is obviously start to pay attention to what's going on within the body, and so we spoke about breath before, where you know, obviously you work in that space, so kind of drawing that awareness to the breath, but you know if you've got an ailment, if you've got a sore neck or if something's going on for you actually starting to pay attention to it, but how would you speak to that aspect of you with love?
Speaker 2:and even multilayering it. If you thought of a color for you that represents you know, if it is, you want to relax a spot, what is relaxation to you like? If you had to think of a color that is relaxation and calming, what color is it? And then imagine that color infiltrating that area to also dissipate what's going on. So it's like it's really bringing these simple things back that you know, our mind doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and what's real and what's imagination. So it's actually about using that imagination to also support ourselves and come back within.
Speaker 1:And it sounds like you're using like all the senses in doing so right and colour theory and sound healing I think you've spoken to in other parts of our conversation, and the creativity and yeah, so kind of blending all of these practices.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's blending all of those practices, but also bringing in the fun divination tools which some people like, the pendulums and, you know, those types of things where people don't always have a lot of experience with. I obviously use a lot of cards within sessions, you know, bringing through messages and then relying on those intuitive insights that you know we all have intuition. It's just a matter of tapping into it and it's a matter of developing it. Just like the minds, the muscle, our intuition is exactly the same and supporting people to come back into that and actually understanding. You know, I truly believe everyone's intuition lives somewhere differently and actually tap it into. If I had to connect in with my intuition, where is it? Within my body?
Speaker 1:it's really interesting too. Yeah, I think for lots of us, we we get so kind of um trained not to pay attention to it, right. It's like, oh, this person's more expert than me, or I have to. I think for lots of us we get so kind of trained not to pay attention to it, right. It's like, oh, this person's more expert than me, or I have to, you know, kind of toe the line in this kind of way.
Speaker 2:But that's also where we've got to come back into our uniqueness, because we can all be doing very similar things, but we're just doing them in slightly different ways, and that's the beauty of it is that no one is you, and it's a matter of actually bringing people back into that authenticity of if you were able to create what you wanted to, where would you be your most authentic self?
Speaker 1:yeah, so good, and I love your emphasis on the positive goals, so it's not like we're not just focusing on what's not working. We're also emphasizing where do you want to be what? What are your goals moving forward, which I guess is kind of the more frequency work, right?
Speaker 2:It's a mixture of the two and I guess that's probably where, for me, I marry both. The frequency and the kinesiology is for me I want to be about. Where are we moving you towards rather than away from? Because it's like if we didn't have this, what would you have instead? Because I think we are very programmed and conditioned for that negative bias of we. We know exactly what we don't want. How much energy are we actually giving to what we do want?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, amazing, and which aligns with neuroscience, right that?
Speaker 2:whatever we're thinking about when moving towards.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, yeah, super helpful because our thoughts become things.
Speaker 2:So you know, I often say to the story, to people, what's the story that you're telling yourself? And also, is the mind controlling you or are you controlling the mind?
Speaker 1:yeah, there's this really good book by john frederickson, one of my trainers, called the lies no-transcript. It's so good because it's fully about that, like how we can relate to ourselves as these fantasies rather than as reality, right, and how that can hurt us too. It can work in our favour when they're to the positive, but when they're to the negative it can really be quite self-injurious. Like looking back, what advice would you have offered to your younger self, you know, as you were embarking on your journey to healing?
Speaker 2:I guess for me, I wish I had what I had now when I was in high school, and I guess that's also where, as we were talking about before, for me it was that thing of because I was in a family that you know traditional western medicine. It probably wasn't something that I ever had the opportunity because it just wasn't really spoken about. Um, but for me I would also say, have patience in the process, and it's something that I say to a lot of my clients, because exactly what we were talking about before in terms of, you know, this healing journey isn't a one and done and it's a continual evolution and it's like peeling back the layers of an onion. Yeah, so, having patience in that process and when things present, it's not I'm back where I was, it's actually almost going okay. There's just a another layer to this and how can you actually meet yourself with where you're at and be okay with it?
Speaker 1:I really like that language. There's another layer.
Speaker 2:There's another layer, right, yeah, yeah and there's just another lesson in it and it's not a bad thing, but again it's. How do we look at it?
Speaker 1:it's like looking at triggers as teachers right rather than as setbacks. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because it's very common for people to come in and then six months later we're at a different level and we're at a different layer and there's potentially some similarities presenting and it's supporting people to understand what are the key differences that we're seeing, because I think what can sometimes happen is a lot of people tend to get into this thing of like well, I've fallen back into the, into this place. It hasn't worked.
Speaker 1:So people don't always kind of allow themselves to commit to things long enough to actually start to see the progress in a way that they want to yeah, it's that patience you were speaking to earlier, uh, and and I really like that idea that that, yeah, it's not linear, right that things will move up and down, but it's just that there's a forward trajectory overall. It sounds like inviting people to contemplate what they're doing differently, um, what they're noticing has changed, so that they can also focus on what is working for them again, to maintain that kind of positive trajectory, like in terms of if people want to work with you, danica, like what are the ways that people can work with you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I work predominantly one-on-one with people. Usually it's session to session. I'm just about to release an eight-week container, one-to-one, which is all around supporting people to gain clarity but also elevate their frequency. So taking the best of kinesiology and bioresonance through a program called Leading Within. So that'll be launching in.
Speaker 2:May, super exciting. And then, obviously, outside of that, I also am a youth mental health first aid facilitator. So supporting people in the space of, you know, having more empowered conversations around mental health. And also, you know, not everyone has the level of knowledge that you or I do when it comes to, you know, mental illness, what are the signs and symptoms, and also how to have conversations around it with someone who may be experiencing a mental health condition or are in the midst of a mental health crisis. So mental health first aid is a, you know, training course similar to physical first aid, but supporting specifically in mental health um to support people to feel more confident in being able to support someone with where they're at. So, um, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1:So that would be the kind of thing that would be great for like parents, like schools to run.
Speaker 2:Parents, schools, yeah, practitioners you know people who come across, yeah, individuals, and I guess that's the thing is, it's really it's for anyone, because I think that's one of the biggest things is that you know we have physical first aid for you know physical ailments. If someone had a broken bone or if they get bitten by a snake, you know exactly what to do. If someone is in the midst of a mental health crisis, do you know how you'd respond? And I think it's really about supporting people to understand that they can have conversations that aren't going to cause harm, but also to provide you, you know, support to get the most appropriate professional support with where a person is at, because not everyone's going to be in a mental health crisis that's amazing.
Speaker 1:I mean that could trigger a whole new kind of conversation oh, yeah, true, yes, for other conversations. There's so many questions I could ask you around that, but I guess that's what the training's for, so we won't ruin that. But it sounds like that's something that people can just like connect with you online, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, so you can either find me on Instagram, at dnmkinesiology, or my website's, dnmkinesiologycom.
Speaker 1:Okay, amazing, and I'll put all the links to your website and your Instagram below the video. Put all the links to your website and your Instagram below the video, or also, if you're listening on podcasts, they'll be available for you in the podcast description. Danica, I just want to thank you so much for your time and your energy and and just sharing you know, all this incredible knowledge you have around kinesiology and bioresonance. I feel like I'm a bit green to it. Yeah, so really helpful insofar as also, yeah, just helps me to understand it more deeply. Yeah, and I've been following you for a while and just loved your energy. You just have a really beautiful gentle way of being and I'm sure that just helps people feel really safe yeah, totally the company.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, that's the aim of the game, that you know you don't want people to feel alone in this and you know it can be the thing of um, it can be that unknown, but it's so beautiful in that people will find you based on where they're at and what they need.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. Like time is our most precious resource and I'm always grateful when people give up their time, so is there anything that you want to leave listeners with before we finish up?
Speaker 2:I think I would probably just say that, yeah, don't shy away from doing the work, and sometimes it's like, as we were talking about before, those things that we resist and those parts of us that we kind of hide from, are actually the thing that makes us most unique, and it's a matter of just actually tapping into, um, how you can take those parts of you and you know flourish, because everyone deserves that, and I think that you know no one is ever broken. It's just how we actually support ourselves to see the beauty in it.
Speaker 1:And that we can right that. There are opportunities to do some work with beautiful humans like you. So thank you for changing career and pursuing this. I'm sure you've given people like so many beautiful gifts and will continue to do so, so, yeah, so, if you want to follow Danica on Instagram, her handle is dnmkinesiology, and if you'd like to follow me, I at zen, so house um. So thanks again, danica, and yeah, we will. We'll connect soon. Thank you for listening to the place for connection podcast, where we believe connection is the cure.
